Choosing the Right Cloud for JD Edwards: Public, Private, or Hybrid?

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Yeah, obviously you have to train all these employees to be able to [...0.6s] function an actual data center, which not all companies can afford, not all companies want to do.And obviously, you can trust a [...0.5s] maybe a bigger private cloud, but at the same time, the amount of costs that would really go into it, cause typically they're smaller than what a public cloud would really look like. What's the real difference between public, private and hybrid cloud? How do you know which model is the best fit for your business?Today on not your Grandpa's JD Edwards will break down the pros and cons of each model, how the impact security, cost, and performance, and the key factors that every business should consider before migrating.By the end of this episode, you'll have a clear framework to confidently choose the right cloud model for your JD Edward system [...0.5s] and enterprise applications. [...4.9s]Welcome to not your Grandpa's JD Edwards, the podcast where we take a modern, no nonsense approach to enterprise technology. I'm Nate Bushfield and today we're talking about one of the biggest it [...0.7s] decisions companies face using the right cloud bottle to help us navigate this.I'm joined by Stuart Peterman, a plough strategy expert who has guided numerous businesses through successful JD Edwards migrations without running into performance, compliance, or even cost issues.If your business is considering cloud migration or struggling with an existing cloud setup, this episode is for you. [...1.0s] Sue, how are you doing today?I'm doing great, Nate. Thanks for having me. Of course, it's great to see [...0.8s] a familiar face on one of these podcasts again, obviously, we're still got there getting going and everything, but it's, uh, it's great to have you here. Thanks for, [...0.6s] I know you have a very busy schedule, so thanks for joining us. Um, never too busy for you, Nate. Oh wow, it really warms the soul, warms the heart.Alright, let's, let's get into it a little bit. 5. Migration is a huge decision, but most businesses struggle with where to start. Like what happens if you choose the wrong model? Can public cloud [...0.5s] really handle ERP workload securely? Is private cloud just an expensive legacy approach? Is hybrid cloud the safest bet or just the most complex?So still, in your experience, what are the biggest mistakes companies make when deciding third cloud model? [...1.4s]Yeah, and thanks for that, Nate. I think [...0.5s] the biggest mistake a company can make is not understanding their internal priorities when they're making those decisions, not having a set strategy and not really understanding what the benefits of the public, private or hybrid cloud scenarios are. [...1.6s] Right?Right. I mean, [...0.8s] it's one of one of the biggest issues and one of the hardest things to really look through. Um, obviously you have to do your research, you have to dive in deep to really understand what each thing can really do for you.I know a lot of public cloud they have, uh, [...0.5s] well they have more [...1.2s] options, more applications, different things that you can really mess around with compared to a private or even a hybrid model. Um.So for those like applications and that side of thing, like is there [...1.0s] more customization or is it easier for companies to [...0.6s] access those? Tell me a little bit more about that.Yeah. So [...0.8s] one of the primary drivers that companies at least should have when looking at the public cloud or [...0.5s] what doors does it open?What applications, products, services do I now have access to when I'm hosted in the public cloud? There are a litany of different services that you can take advantage of.You know, AWS has Sagemaker, Oracle has their AI offering, you also have Oracle's [...0.8s] Autonomous Data Warehouse or Autonomous Data Base. You also [...0.8s] access to incredible analytics and business intelligence tools that can connect directly to the public clouds.So it really opens the door to [...0.7s] things that can make an impact to the business. You know, I, I don't know a business out there that couldn't benefit from having real time dashboards populated into their, let's say legacy ERP system.And if you have a connector to, let's say Oracle Analytics Cloud, you can funnel those directly into your, let's say, JD Edwards instance so that you can see in real time the data that would take you maybe 20, 30 minutes to run a report on. [...1.1s] Right?And honestly, [...0.7s] putting down the amount of time that a lot of these companies are spending doing a lot of these different things, I mean, you, the amount of productivity that is gained back from utilizing some of these tools is just insane if you really think about it.Um, so let's simplify a little bit more, what's the real differences between public, private and even a hybrid plough? [...1.6s]That's a great question. And let's start with the public cloud or, you know, talk about the public cloud hyper scalers, I guess if you will, [...0.6s] uh, the primary ones that we deal with on a day to day basis are Oracle cloud infrastructure, [...0.5s] Amazon Web Services, and Microsoft Azure.Now there are quite a few others, there's Google Cloud, there's faraway cloud, but we'll just stick to the ones that we know for now.A public cloud is a large organization that has the resources and essentially the infrastructure to be able to provide extensive services at scale that are [...0.5s] elastic, high performance.You're not tied to maybe the same restrictions that you would be in perhaps a private cloud or on premise or even potentially in a hybrid cloud environment. Uh.So in short, those large hyper scalers give you the resources that no singular one business could provide themselves [...2.0s] now. So, yeah, with a private cloud, obviously it's a little bit different. Can you dive in a little bit deeper on that?Yeah. So private cloud [...1.1s] often is described two different ways. Some companies who are large enough and have the wherewithal to do this own their own data centers, they host their own servers, they have their own workloads inside in many cases their building. And that is in its truest essence their private cloud.But there are also other private cloud options that are provided for organizations who want to essentially outsource maybe the hosting and management of those workloads and servers to a company [...0.5s] that has a data center off site that they manage and have staff on site at all times, making sure that [...0.5s] essentially everything is secure. If for instance, there is an event, they can address that quickly.They have resources on site for that as well, and ongoing managed services is provided for them as well.Now, it presents its own benefits and drawbacks. If you have your own private cloud environment, it means you have ultimate control and many companies want to retain that ultimate control. And I don't blame them.Some companies have compliance requirements that they need to adhere to. Um, they also unfortunately, have some drawbacks and those drawbacks come in the form of, [...0.5s] you know, deploying resources.So unfortunately, if you have a group of people that need to be contacted to deploy resources, sometimes it takes a little bit more time than, let's say if you needed to scale or deploy resources in the public cloud, which can happen instantaneously, [...1.4s] right?And yeah, obviously you have to train all these employees to be able to [...0.6s] function an actual data center, which not all companies can afford, not all companies want to do.And obviously, you can trust a, [...0.5s] maybe a bigger private cloud, but at the same time, the amount of costs that would really go into it, cause typically they're smaller than what a public cloud would really look like.So, I mean, [...0.7s] obviously, that's a little bit more expensive, takes a lot more time to really get anything done. Um, while these businesses have other structure that is the real, real money maker.So maybe they don't really want to [...1.0s] post their own data, which takes a lot of time, takes a lot of man power to really [...0.8s] get behind it and build it up.Um, so about, like, a hybrid cloud model [...1.0s] would like, is the balance of both really just a complex way of saying, like, you should do this, but [...0.6s] I I, I'm not really familiar with what a hybrid really looks like.So can you dive in on what that kind of looks like and why a company would [...0.7s] go that wrapped? [...1.2s]Yeah, and quickly I do wanna address something you brought up to [...0.7s] the human capital side of things is its own separate animal, you know, making sure that you have the resources either internally or the organization that you're vetting out from a private cloud perspective has the right resources, is it introduces complexities [...0.7s] well beyond [...0.6s] managing and deploying and running workloads in a public, private or hybrid cloud fashion. So it was an interesting point.It's, it's good that you brought it up, but [...0.8s] to go over to what a hybrid cloud environment looks like. Organizations sometimes have sensitive workloads that they are just not comfortable hosting in the public cloud.Now [...0.8s] I would make the argument that [...0.5s] the public cloud has come a really long way in terms of its security, and essentially adherents to government or, or even other compliances that you may be adhering to yourself.But some companies think that [...0.7s] they [...0.6s] don't want to introduce those workloads to the public cloud for fear of either losing control or the risk that it presents.So in some cases, they will split [...0.7s] their workloads and have some hosted in the public cloud, some either on tram or in a private cloud environment.And the reasons they might do that are [...0.5s] if they're subject to [...0.6s] GDPR compliance or Fed ramp compliance or, you know, any list of compliance regulations that they may be subject to depending on their industry. Uh.So [...0.5s] for that reason, they have split those workloads. They manage some either on premise or in a private cloud environment and then some in the public cloud.Now sometimes they do all three and sometimes they even split those public cloud providers just to, I guess, hedge their bets and, [...0.5s] you know, reduce that risk even further.And as you mention, that really does introduce a lot of complexity. I don't even have to go into, [...1.0s] you know, the different contracts they have to manage and renewals that come up if they're managing, let's say two or even three different public cloud providers, but then they have to make sure they have the resources on staff, that they have the right resources to manage those workloads internally. Do they have too many? Do they have too few?So it, you know, it really does introduce quite a bit of complexity. I understand it's importance in some cases, but, but, you know, I, I certainly would not wanna be [...0.7s] the head of an organization's cloud practice that has to manage all of those various, [...0.6s] you know, cloud hosting strategies, solutions, providers. You know, managing one is difficult enough.Yeah, I, I can only imagine what you go through on a daily basis, but going into a high rate cloud model [...0.6s] would kind of be insane.It's hard for me to even really wrap my head around for the amount of manpower, the amount of time that would really be spent [...0.7s] just organizing it, making sure there are no gaps in any knowledge or data.Oh man, the amount of time that must go into that would be insane. Monitoring performance, you know, monitoring your spend and your costs because, you know, if you don't monitor, let's say some public cloud providers closely, your costs can sometimes spin out of control.If you need a tech refresh and you're on premise, then you're incurring [...0.7s] quite a bit of, of cap X, I mean, that's gonna hit your cap X pretty significantly.So all of those things together and then managing not just the performance and scalability but the budget associated with it as well, uh, it is definitely quite an undertaking.Yeah, I I, I honestly can only think of one reason that you'd be in a hybrid cloud, and that's if you're [...0.5s] trying to get your private data center to the, like, to the public cloud.Um, but, [...0.6s] you know, there are companies out there that have sensitive information that they maybe don't choose, like, which or choose to share, which is what you said earlier.And honestly, like, [...0.8s] I understand that, but [...0.7s] the amount of complexity in the amount of work that really goes into a hybrid cloud feels like it's sometimes not worth it, especially in last five years.Obviously, there's been a big change in what public cloud really is. It really has upgraded security on it, the data, data security, privacy, like everything is really [...0.5s] taking to the next level.I mean yeah, thanks a lot. And, [...0.5s] and in terms of [...0.6s] the advancement that the public cloud is made, you know, I think most people who are listening to this podcast will be aware of Microsoft securing those incredibly large government contracts a few years ago.Now, it didn't necessarily come to fruition and that's a completely different story. But, [...1.0s] you know, the public light has come a long way. That said, I do, you know, I do wanna make a note to say that there are instances where a hybrid cloud model is not only [...0.9s] the smart idea but absolutely necessary.I mean, if you hold [...0.6s] significant government contracts to the tune of hundreds of millions or billions of dollars, then you don't wanna risk that contract coming into question because of public cloud practices.So there, there certainly are [...0.6s] scenarios where it is absolutely necessary but [...0.6s] still very complicated and certainly not something that I personally will wanna have to manage on my side.Yeah, they're for the bigger companies that can spend their capital on a hybrid practice, which makes a lot of sense. But [...0.6s] who knows? I mean, maybe in a few years it'll be all public or all private. Um, and just shifting away from the hybrid cloud.Obviously, there will always be the need for it for certain contracts, but for the most part, [...0.7s] we'd probably see the other two. So [...0.7s] how should businesses really decide between [...0.8s] a public or private or hybrid, and what are some of the key questions that they should ask before they choose? [...1.2s]Yeah, that's, that's a really good question, and I'll address the portion of it. There's no way we could address all of it in the time that we have, but [...0.7s] we'll start with public cloud.If you're wondering whether or not you should migrate to the public cloud, you know, you, you need to just ask yourself first and foremost, do I have [...1.3s] any [...0.8s] workloads, ancillary applications, anything that [...0.6s] would potentially [...0.5s] be at risk moving to the public cloud?Because as we mentioned earlier, I think that the public cloud [...0.8s] has come a very long way, especially over the past five years or so, when it comes to [...0.5s] long term security and ensuring that those workloads are not subject to any, let's say, malicious activity.But, [...0.6s] you know, if you do have, let's say a very valuable [...0.7s] government contract that is subject to government regulation, [...0.6s] the public cloud may adhere to that regulation, but it may not give you the sense of control and comfort that you want.So assess whether or not [...0.5s] those workloads that you have [...0.5s] are [...0.6s] safe or sufficient to be hosted in the public cloud.Now the second is what am I hoping to gain by moving to the public club? You really need to think as an organization [...0.7s] 10 years down the road, five years down the road, what do I wanna take advantage of that the public cloud offers me?And there is no shortage [...0.5s] of services or products that you can have access to. Um you know, if you value utilizing [...0.6s] data in a more efficient way, let's say in the coming three years, then the public cloud is more than likely the route that you would wanna go at least, at least in a hybrid environment.But, you know, if you're not subject to those compliances that we were talking about earlier, [...0.5s] you might wanna go full board into the public cloud.Um, [...1.0s] if you [...0.5s] want that data to go into, let's say, from a data lake into something like an Oracle's Autonomous data Warehouse, where you can first and foremost ensure that that data is [...0.6s] clean, that it is gonna give you the proper results. Cause as everyone knows, bad data gives bad results.Then you can funnel it into something like an Oracle analytics cloud and then [...0.5s] maybe even connect that to your ERP system to where you're getting real time dashboards to show you things like paid in voices or unpaid in voices, laid in voices, you know, sales orders coming in.Um, I know of a few companies that [...1.0s] have had, let's say, [...0.5s] scenarios where they have turnover with their customer service representatives.And they wanted to be able to utilize their data to give their customer service representatives a little push in the right direction when it comes to customer interaction.Um, so if you are a company that wants to take advantage of something that is innovative and can start to give your business a little bit of an edge against maybe some competitors, then you should really look into the public cloud.Um, in many cases, people look to the public cloud for things like cost savings.And [...0.9s] I am very much a staunch believer that, that should never be your top priority, but it is a reality. And you can save if not just in certain areas as a whole by moving to the public cloud, depending on what public cloud that is. [...1.5s]Now if we're talking about, let's say a private cloud environment, let's say you [...0.5s] wanna get out of the pipes and plumbing of managing your own on premise infrastructure or, or even your own personal private cloud, and you wanna outsource that to an organization that has a data center that can help provide managed services.Uh, then [...0.5s] you should think about the private cloud, it also offers quite a bit of control and security. You know, they have [...1.0s] people in those data center sitting around all the time just in case something happens.And that can be something like, you know, a potentially malicious event to, [...1.0s] hey, a plug got kicked and unplugged and we need to re plug that in or, or maybe we have an issue with some hardware that we need to replace or repair.Um, [...1.3s] and then when you're talking about the hybrid cloud environment, it's kind of a mix of both. Do I wanna take advantage of some of what the public cloud offers me?Some of those, let's say data analytics or, you know, [...1.2s] data based options that other companies that have those scale and resources can provide me?And, you know, that is, their job is to create a compelling offering to be able to present to a company like me to say, [...0.7s] you know, wow, this is a pretty innovative [...0.6s] new piece of technology.It could be AI, you know, it could be something that you and your organization are really excited to start [...0.5s] taking on, [...1.2s] but then at the same time you have those sensitive workloads and you want to make sure that those things are not subject to any sort of scrutiny from any of, let's say, [...0.7s] the customers that you have [...0.7s] or, or even any government regulations.So, [...0.5s] you know, there are a lot of things that you need to consider when you're making that evaluation. You know, there are things all the way down to, are there certain applications that I had that run better on one cloud versus the other? And that is certainly the case. Is there a licensing, [...0.6s] you know, issue that I should consider?Do I have a certain number of on premise licenses for one particular company that I need to be concerned with moving into the public plot of a different company [...0.8s] or their cost effective, [...0.6s] let's say, [...0.6s] options that these public clouds can provide me that other public clouds don't.And they can be [...0.6s] as simple as data egress policies, you know, some, some public clouds out there have extremely advantageous data egress policies that can allow me as a company to save a significant amount of money, whereas others charge quite a bit for those things and those costs can spiral out of control.So really spans every bit of your organization and not just [...1.2s] your general [...0.6s] it or org but even finance, even security and compliance.So, you know, it really benefits to have a 3rd party help take a look at that and say, [...0.7s] hey guys, [...0.7s] we're gonna die deep and we're gonna interview various stakeholders at your organization.We're gonna understand [...0.6s] where you are best suited and that may not be the public cloud, that may not be even hybrid cloud.We may, [...0.5s] you know, get to the end of this and say, hey, guys, I think you are still better suited to be hosted in a private cloud environment, but [...0.5s] really having a third party take a good hard look without the [...1.5s] internal maybe politics you may have at your organization, it is always a good practice.So, yeah I mean, and of course, like [...0.5s] when people are choosing this and when businesses are really looking at it, they also have to worry about who's managing [...0.6s] their cloud environment.I mean, that's the main thing that I would worry about at least. And [...0.5s] I mean, that's actually a perfect Segway. They kind of bring those right into the thing that ERP switches did with the Oracle's cloud man services provider certification.I know you were on the forefront of that, [...0.6s] but a lot of customers don't really understand what that would mean. So [...1.2s] let's go into a little bit, can you explain what it means for a company to become MSP certified by Oracle?Yeah, absolutely. And [...0.6s] what it means for a company that has [...0.6s] become a cloud managed services provider for Oracle? It means that they have opened themselves up [...0.5s] and their practices [...0.6s] to a third party audit.Oracle puts together a list of audit criteria, a list of controls that this company needs to show that they have practices, and more importantly, documentation for replication of those practices [...0.6s] at scale.To, to show that they can handle [...0.6s] build, [...0.5s] you know, [...0.6s] deploy, run, and manage those Oracle and non Oracle workloads in the Oracle Cloud, and that they have the resources experience to be able to do that. So it is a fairly stringent audit. It is done by a third party.That third party over a two day period dives pretty deeply into those various controls.And essentially at the end of it decides whether or not you as an organization are fit to be an Oracle Cloud Managed Services provider. So [...0.6s] I'm, I'm very happy to say that we, we passed that audit with flying colors. We actually did not miss out on a single control.Um, but I think that's a testament to the people of the RP Suites. And, you know, I can tell you as [...0.9s] the glorified Wrangler of those resources, [...0.9s] they were absolutely incredible in providing assistance and their expertise in the process of that audit.So if you're watching anyone from ERP Suites, thank you very much for your assistance. [...3.3s] Always great to shout out everybody that was working behind the scenes. I know you were a little bit more of the forefront, but I know there was a lot of work that really went into it.And seriously, congratulations. I know there some people out there that probably already thought that we had this because of how great the RP suites really has been with Oracle and the partnerships that are behind it. But it is great to finally have this underneath the, [...0.6s] underneath the [...0.5s] ear, earpiece weeds bubble. Um.So it is very, very impressive that we were able to complete this seriously, like this incredible stuff. Um, so [...1.5s] little bit, [...1.1s] little bit of an after effect, you know like [...0.5s] after, after someone watches this, [...1.0s] what would you want them to do? What is the next steps?How would they learn more about these different options of cloud, um, and [...0.6s] what, like, [...0.6s] what does the RP suite offer in terms of a next step? [...1.5s]Yeah, that's a great question. Thanks for asking. I [...0.6s] would encourage any customer or prospective customer or anyone who is generally curious about what might be the best fit for their organization from a cloud hosting perspective is to come and talk to us.We have developed a very comprehensive cloud assessment framework that covers, as I mentioned earlier, everything from [...0.5s] security compliance.We talk to finance users, we talk to end power users, we talk to, you know, executives and, and [...0.7s] decision makers within an organization to understand what their strategy really is [...0.6s] top to bottom, [...0.6s] and adhere that strategy to a specific cloud provider [...0.7s] and, and could be multiple cloud providers. It could be a hybrid cloud environment.We make it to the end of an assessment like that and say, you know what, guys, [...1.0s] what you're doing today is [...0.7s] absolutely perfect.You should keep doing what you're doing, but the important part about that assessment is [...0.6s] the findings [...0.6s] are [...0.5s] so extensive, [...0.6s] but we give them to you at the end of that, so they are yours to keep.It is a week long process. We cover every segment of your organization, every business unit that is impacted by, let's say, a cloud migration.And then we provide the findings to you so that you can have those. Maybe you don't wanna make the decision today or tomorrow or this year or even next year, [...0.5s] but that information is incredibly valuable to any organization. And we have the expert resources to be able to dive into what makes the most sense for you and your organization. [...1.9s]Oh, yeah I mean, [...0.8s] obviously, it's something that a lot of people will think about and want to go through. Um, but if that's not for you, you can always schedule a free consultation on ERP suites.Com, [...0.6s] very easy. A few clicks. You can talk to stew, you can talk to any number of our cloud people that we have here, um, and they will help you get to that next step.So again, thank you for tuning in for not your grandfather's JD Edwards. If this episode helped you think differently about cloud migration, subscribe, share with your team. Schedule that free consultation.If you have any questions about Oracle Cloud MSP providers, connect with us on LinkedIn or at ERP. Streets. Com. I'll see you next time. [...4.2s]